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		<title>By: Narek</title>
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		<title>By: Hamlet davtian</title>
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		<description>HERIQ E!!!!!     G R E Q  H A Y E R E N</description>
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		<title>By: David Davidian</title>
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		<description>Does anybody care that our past and future is being reshaped? What will happen next, shut down Tsitsernakaberd?

Vay Mezi!

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Tigran Khzmalian's "Sardarapat" Documentary Taken Off List Of Films Shown In Moscow Cinema

Noyan Tapan
http://www.nt.am/news.php?shownews=117643
Sep 23, 2008

YEREVAN, SEPTEMBER 23, NOYAN TAPAN. The documentary "Sardarapat" of film director Tigran Khzmalian has been taken off the list of films shown in the Moscow Cinema. The film was made by an order of the RA ministry of culture.

It was ready in early May but has not been demonstrated so far. By a preliminary agreement, the documentary was to be shown in the Moscow Cinema on September 27, but four days before its screeining the film director was informed that his documentary had been taken off the list of that cinema's films.

T. Khzmalian said during a talk with NT correspondent that he does not understand what is going on in Armenia. "I don't even have the right to show my work to the public. I can't imagine in what times we live."

A 68-minute version of the film was shown at the Narekatsi Center on September 16, but the "May" version is a 38-minute one and has another accentuation. As T. Khzmalian had said at the Narekatsi Center, during the film's shooting he as the scriptwriter discovered some interesting
facts and video materials unknown to many. "I was sent sensational facts and video materials from various countries, and all of them occurred and were filmed in 1916-1920. I became acquainted with the documents which were not published due to the political situation in this region. I made an attempt to sum up what happened 90 years ago - now, at the beginning of the 21st century. All that happened at that time was because of feebleness of dull political figures,
parties and improvident leaders," T. Khzmalian underlined.

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David Davidian
Genocide Archive Project http://www.regionalkinetics.com
92 Brookside Ave
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anybody care that our past and future is being reshaped? What will happen next, shut down Tsitsernakaberd?</p>
<p>Vay Mezi!</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Tigran Khzmalian&#8217;s &#8220;Sardarapat&#8221; Documentary Taken Off List Of Films Shown In Moscow Cinema</p>
<p>Noyan Tapan<br />
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Sep 23, 2008</p>
<p>YEREVAN, SEPTEMBER 23, NOYAN TAPAN. The documentary &#8220;Sardarapat&#8221; of film director Tigran Khzmalian has been taken off the list of films shown in the Moscow Cinema. The film was made by an order of the RA ministry of culture.</p>
<p>It was ready in early May but has not been demonstrated so far. By a preliminary agreement, the documentary was to be shown in the Moscow Cinema on September 27, but four days before its screeining the film director was informed that his documentary had been taken off the list of that cinema&#8217;s films.</p>
<p>T. Khzmalian said during a talk with NT correspondent that he does not understand what is going on in Armenia. &#8220;I don&#8217;t even have the right to show my work to the public. I can&#8217;t imagine in what times we live.&#8221;</p>
<p>A 68-minute version of the film was shown at the Narekatsi Center on September 16, but the &#8220;May&#8221; version is a 38-minute one and has another accentuation. As T. Khzmalian had said at the Narekatsi Center, during the film&#8217;s shooting he as the scriptwriter discovered some interesting<br />
facts and video materials unknown to many. &#8220;I was sent sensational facts and video materials from various countries, and all of them occurred and were filmed in 1916-1920. I became acquainted with the documents which were not published due to the political situation in this region. I made an attempt to sum up what happened 90 years ago - now, at the beginning of the 21st century. All that happened at that time was because of feebleness of dull political figures,<br />
parties and improvident leaders,&#8221; T. Khzmalian underlined.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>David Davidian<br />
Genocide Archive Project <a href="http://www.regionalkinetics.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.regionalkinetics.com</a><br />
92 Brookside Ave<br />
Belmont, MA 02478 USA</p>
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		<title>By: David Davidian</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, we read:

Sargsyan: Have You Ever Heard An Armenian Official Demanding Territory From Turkey?

PanARMENIAN.Net
22.09.2008 16:39 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan said it would be better to form diplomatic relations between Turkey and Armenia prior to the establishment of any commission, Milliyet Daily reported.

"I generally said that I was not against the establishment of commissions between the two countries... First, let our joint border be opened and diplomatic relations constituted, then we can establish commissions, sub-commissions and sub-sub-commissions for any issue," the daily quoted Sargsyan as saying.

"In fact, if you remember a similar commission to this was formed in the past with the efforts of the United States and this commission concluded genocide had taken place. What happened then? Has something changed? Did anybody accept it? No. Nobody accepted," he said.

Sargsyan also denied that they were making territorial demands from Turkey.

"I am surprised by the territorial demand claim. I do not know but it is a common opinion. But have you ever heard an Armenian official saying, "We are demanding territory from Turkey." In no way has such  a statement ever been made," he said.

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First, if SS was misquoted in Milliyet, the Armenian government has had 2 days to make a retraction -- it has not. 

 SS is saying let's make a deal, starting with secret talks in NY between Turks/Azerbaijanis and "Armenian Officials" who don't have to answer to the Armenian population or to any political doctrine. I suspect:

1) At least all land outside of NKR will go back to the Azerbaijanis, if not more. Kelbajar might be an issue. But who cares. The remaining land is incorporated into Armenia.

2) Azerbaijan gets a land route to Nakhichecvan, up to and including giving away Meghri. Who cares anyway.

3) Armenians have diplomatic relations with Turkey.

4) The border opens (and a new set of mafia fat cats are created). The border opening automatically requires that Armenia recognize the border otherwise it makes no sense opening up something Armenians don't recognize.

5) Turkey will admit that a renegade government, the Ittihadists,committed genocide on the Armenians (like the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews, not German Holocaust of the Jews), but Mustafa Kemal rescued Turkey from this dictatorship. Turkish history books are modified slightly. Armenians will let Turkey off the genocide-blackmail hook. The Armenians will remove
the sword of Damoclese from above the head of the Turks.

6) Armenia will explicitly agree they have no land or reparation claims against Turkey.

7) Turkey might even allow Armenians to purchase whatever land they want in eastern Turkey -- but must also become Turkish citizens in the process, men must serve in the Turkish army, etc.

8) This might help Turkey get into the EU. This is one item the Armenians hope for. Of course Armenians assume this can benefit them. This only works if the Turks let them benefit.

Direct result:

-&#62; Some Armenians become filthy rich

-&#62; Some Turks become filthy

-&#62; The average Armenian will eventually be worse off because Armenia losses sovereignty. More Armenians leave Armenia.

-&#62; The Gharabagh issue appears to be "resolved" until Azerbaijan refugees are asked to return to Gharabagh and Armenia.

-&#62; Armenia is no longer on the north-south corridor, losing its border with Iran. Armenia is rewarded with western grants.

-&#62; Armenia becomes a Turkish economic backwater -- despite Armenians thinking they will eventually outsmart Turks. Turkey will have a huge influence on internal Armenian politics.

-&#62; Armenia thus allows itself to become a battleground between Turkish and Russian interests. One would have thought we would have learned something from the past

-&#62; As Turkey's extreme NE region benefits at the expense of the Armenians, making it more and more difficult to claims such lands in reparation.

-&#62; Armenia will lose its ability to demand anything in future. It might want to make demands but they will be futile.

Indirect result:

* Diaspora dissolution accelerates, but who cares
* Armenian lobbies quickly die out, but who cares

Personal result:

- Why bother sending children to Armenian schools
- Why bother speaking Armenian
- I wonder if I want to step foot in the "Turkish Sancak of Ermenistan" an Armenian creation.

-- 
David Davidian
Genocide Archive Project www.regionalkinetics.com
92 Brookside Ave
Belmont, MA 02478 USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, we read:</p>
<p>Sargsyan: Have You Ever Heard An Armenian Official Demanding Territory From Turkey?</p>
<p>PanARMENIAN.Net<br />
22.09.2008 16:39 GMT+04:00</p>
<p>/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan said it would be better to form diplomatic relations between Turkey and Armenia prior to the establishment of any commission, Milliyet Daily reported.</p>
<p>&#8220;I generally said that I was not against the establishment of commissions between the two countries&#8230; First, let our joint border be opened and diplomatic relations constituted, then we can establish commissions, sub-commissions and sub-sub-commissions for any issue,&#8221; the daily quoted Sargsyan as saying.</p>
<p>&#8220;In fact, if you remember a similar commission to this was formed in the past with the efforts of the United States and this commission concluded genocide had taken place. What happened then? Has something changed? Did anybody accept it? No. Nobody accepted,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Sargsyan also denied that they were making territorial demands from Turkey.</p>
<p>&#8220;I am surprised by the territorial demand claim. I do not know but it is a common opinion. But have you ever heard an Armenian official saying, &#8220;We are demanding territory from Turkey.&#8221; In no way has such  a statement ever been made,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>First, if SS was misquoted in Milliyet, the Armenian government has had 2 days to make a retraction &#8212; it has not. </p>
<p> SS is saying let&#8217;s make a deal, starting with secret talks in NY between Turks/Azerbaijanis and &#8220;Armenian Officials&#8221; who don&#8217;t have to answer to the Armenian population or to any political doctrine. I suspect:</p>
<p>1) At least all land outside of NKR will go back to the Azerbaijanis, if not more. Kelbajar might be an issue. But who cares. The remaining land is incorporated into Armenia.</p>
<p>2) Azerbaijan gets a land route to Nakhichecvan, up to and including giving away Meghri. Who cares anyway.</p>
<p>3) Armenians have diplomatic relations with Turkey.</p>
<p>4) The border opens (and a new set of mafia fat cats are created). The border opening automatically requires that Armenia recognize the border otherwise it makes no sense opening up something Armenians don&#8217;t recognize.</p>
<p>5) Turkey will admit that a renegade government, the Ittihadists,committed genocide on the Armenians (like the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews, not German Holocaust of the Jews), but Mustafa Kemal rescued Turkey from this dictatorship. Turkish history books are modified slightly. Armenians will let Turkey off the genocide-blackmail hook. The Armenians will remove<br />
the sword of Damoclese from above the head of the Turks.</p>
<p>6) Armenia will explicitly agree they have no land or reparation claims against Turkey.</p>
<p>7) Turkey might even allow Armenians to purchase whatever land they want in eastern Turkey &#8212; but must also become Turkish citizens in the process, men must serve in the Turkish army, etc.</p>
<p>8) This might help Turkey get into the EU. This is one item the Armenians hope for. Of course Armenians assume this can benefit them. This only works if the Turks let them benefit.</p>
<p>Direct result:</p>
<p>-&gt; Some Armenians become filthy rich</p>
<p>-&gt; Some Turks become filthy</p>
<p>-&gt; The average Armenian will eventually be worse off because Armenia losses sovereignty. More Armenians leave Armenia.</p>
<p>-&gt; The Gharabagh issue appears to be &#8220;resolved&#8221; until Azerbaijan refugees are asked to return to Gharabagh and Armenia.</p>
<p>-&gt; Armenia is no longer on the north-south corridor, losing its border with Iran. Armenia is rewarded with western grants.</p>
<p>-&gt; Armenia becomes a Turkish economic backwater &#8212; despite Armenians thinking they will eventually outsmart Turks. Turkey will have a huge influence on internal Armenian politics.</p>
<p>-&gt; Armenia thus allows itself to become a battleground between Turkish and Russian interests. One would have thought we would have learned something from the past</p>
<p>-&gt; As Turkey&#8217;s extreme NE region benefits at the expense of the Armenians, making it more and more difficult to claims such lands in reparation.</p>
<p>-&gt; Armenia will lose its ability to demand anything in future. It might want to make demands but they will be futile.</p>
<p>Indirect result:</p>
<p>* Diaspora dissolution accelerates, but who cares<br />
* Armenian lobbies quickly die out, but who cares</p>
<p>Personal result:</p>
<p>- Why bother sending children to Armenian schools<br />
- Why bother speaking Armenian<br />
- I wonder if I want to step foot in the &#8220;Turkish Sancak of Ermenistan&#8221; an Armenian creation.</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
David Davidian<br />
Genocide Archive Project <a href="http://www.regionalkinetics.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.regionalkinetics.com</a><br />
92 Brookside Ave<br />
Belmont, MA 02478 USA</p>
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		<title>By: Ditord</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'm a reader of this site, perhaps as u r. --&#62; u needn't leave the place just because u didn't want to here what i said...  [end of communication]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m a reader of this site, perhaps as u r. &#8211;&gt; u needn&#8217;t leave the place just because u didn&#8217;t want to here what i said&#8230;  [end of communication]</p>
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		<title>By: Mihran Demirian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihran Demirian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Ayvazyan is indeed a very wise man.

I myself was born in "eastern Turkey" - our west Armenia! we left Turkey for Europe when I was a child. 

I completly agree with dr. Ayvazyan and anybody that disagree with his analysis must be treated very catious, beacuse either that person is very naive, stupid or worse!

A total destruction of the Armenian nation is what 99.9% of the turks wants. That 0.01% honest, fine Turks are alos there but they are so few!
I have had plenty of Turkish classmates and "friends" but we have never discussed the Genocide. Once I did and that relationsship was ended. We are so far from each other. I have confimed my parents wizdom over and over agian, never trust a Turk when it comes to this specific matter.

I myself admire the Turks! - They are fine, honest and hardworking people. As we Armenians are. 

But they are our enemies till end of time or till they apoligize for their crime and give us back our land. When they ndo that I might consider belive in a change in their agneda for us. Till then DO NOT EXPECT ANYTHING GOOD FROM TURKS!

If we Armenians could get united and if we could have honest, fine leaders we would have nothing to fear from other, not even the Turks!

The enemy is to be found within our own people, as the history have prooven. Unfortunatly this is even the case today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Ayvazyan is indeed a very wise man.</p>
<p>I myself was born in &#8220;eastern Turkey&#8221; - our west Armenia! we left Turkey for Europe when I was a child. </p>
<p>I completly agree with dr. Ayvazyan and anybody that disagree with his analysis must be treated very catious, beacuse either that person is very naive, stupid or worse!</p>
<p>A total destruction of the Armenian nation is what 99.9% of the turks wants. That 0.01% honest, fine Turks are alos there but they are so few!<br />
I have had plenty of Turkish classmates and &#8220;friends&#8221; but we have never discussed the Genocide. Once I did and that relationsship was ended. We are so far from each other. I have confimed my parents wizdom over and over agian, never trust a Turk when it comes to this specific matter.</p>
<p>I myself admire the Turks! - They are fine, honest and hardworking people. As we Armenians are. </p>
<p>But they are our enemies till end of time or till they apoligize for their crime and give us back our land. When they ndo that I might consider belive in a change in their agneda for us. Till then DO NOT EXPECT ANYTHING GOOD FROM TURKS!</p>
<p>If we Armenians could get united and if we could have honest, fine leaders we would have nothing to fear from other, not even the Turks!</p>
<p>The enemy is to be found within our own people, as the history have prooven. Unfortunatly this is even the case today!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Anahit Paitian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Anahit Paitian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'I stand for the work and ideas this site/org. stands for.'
???????

That is a surprise for me. For if this site truly has a principle, you would agree with me, for I support Dr.Ayvazyan’s analysis. 
And if he , this site/you, are flip-flap, or ‘paid’  speakers-

S O R R Y-
 
I am in wrong place.

..and I am out of here… 

(I was hasty to give a credit to anybody. Nowadays it is very difficult to find honest people in politics who stand up for what is right without flip-flap and self-interest. 
What a shame!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I stand for the work and ideas this site/org. stands for.&#8217;<br />
???????</p>
<p>That is a surprise for me. For if this site truly has a principle, you would agree with me, for I support Dr.Ayvazyan’s analysis.<br />
And if he , this site/you, are flip-flap, or ‘paid’  speakers-</p>
<p>S O R R Y-</p>
<p>I am in wrong place.</p>
<p>..and I am out of here… </p>
<p>(I was hasty to give a credit to anybody. Nowadays it is very difficult to find honest people in politics who stand up for what is right without flip-flap and self-interest.<br />
What a shame!)</p>
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		<title>By: Ditord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ditord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the quote’s his, the tirade’s yours. 

Funny how you don’t hear anything else except (the resonance of ) your own voice… 

# Anna Anahit Paitianon 19 Sep 2008 at 1:13 pm
“We don’t trust you (if you represent the official policy of Serj Sargsian).
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- Perhaps you should speak for yourself.
And, I do not represent anybody’s policy (especially his). I stand for the work and ideas this site/org. stands for. That’s what I was saying, you missed the point…

 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the quote’s his, the tirade’s yours. </p>
<p>Funny how you don’t hear anything else except (the resonance of ) your own voice… </p>
<p># Anna Anahit Paitianon 19 Sep 2008 at 1:13 pm<br />
“We don’t trust you (if you represent the official policy of Serj Sargsian).<br />
——————————</p>
<p>- Perhaps you should speak for yourself.<br />
And, I do not represent anybody’s policy (especially his). I stand for the work and ideas this site/org. stands for. That’s what I was saying, you missed the point…</p>
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